Creationism Vs Evolution

[Deimos Tokarev]

What is your take on the creationism vs evolution debate

[Peregrine Alexander]

They both exist, that is my belief. Simple, all you have to do is allow your mind to encompass more than sounds logical. That's my theory.

[Deimos Tokarev]

well i firmly belive in science since it has way more evidence than a simple book

What do you think of creationism being taught in schools

[siony]

Well, I do believe in evolution. However why the Big Bang happened, why some species took a turn left rather than right... I still think that there's some kind of high power or greater scheme at work. There's so much that's unexplained that it's easy to believe in "magic".

As to creationism being taught in schools, I have no problem with it being presented in school as a theory. When I learned about evolution and genetics in sec. 4 (grade 10) biology, we had a class on the history of theories of evolution, starting with creationism and ending with the modern theory of evolution, a modified and expanded version of Charles Darwin's original theory. I also have no problem with it being taught in religion class if it's a confessional school. But I am completely against creationism being taught by itself as truth without presenting the other theories. It's a question of balance.

[Deimos Tokarev]

that makes sense.

I dont think creationism should be taught in a biology class, since creationism is not a science in itself. Think about it, the test would be so easy, all the answers would be "god did it".

I think that creationism should only be taught in religious schools, since they mostly deal with metaphysical myths

[siony]

I think that it's useful to know, though, what our ancestors thought "The" answer was. It just proves to us that science and theories are always evolving. The modern theory of evolution was the fourth theory put forth. And we had to know what all of them were, basically, and what had made people change their minds. I think it's an intelligent way of doing it, because it really drives home the point that what we think now, what we're learning now can always be disproved, later on, when more discoveries are made.

[Deimos Tokarev]

even if we do discover how everything happened. What would be the point, its time wasted away on a useless knowledge

[siony]

I don't consider it useless, see. I think it's very useful to know how people came to the conclusion they did, what path they took. Because every theory is an elaboration on past theories. So first we thought that we just appeared like this, created by god. Then there was proof and a theory that proved that well, maybe we went through minor modifications. Then it's one species can go to the next. It's easier to explain to a high school student taking it in small steps than it is to say suddenly "Well one species can become another through evolution". Showing the steps in the struggle to develop the theory solidifies the theory itself and makes it concrete and more believable in a student's mind. It's also a way for the teacher to disprove the previous theories, showing how they were proving wrong and therefore nipping in the bud those who would start reinventing these theories on their own. It's a very useful teaching tool.

[Deimos Tokarev]

I mean it is interesting to find out, but when we do, what will be the point. This is the scenario

Scientist 1 : Yes, we did it, we have proved evolution
Scientist 2 : Creationism is wrong!
Scientist 3 : Hooray
All: ............
Scientist 1 : What the hell do we do now?
Scientist 2 : Get a beer?
Scientist 3 : Sure, why not

[siony]

Ok, either you totally did not get what I just posted above or I'm really, really too tired to decode how what you just posted is related to my post just above. it. So here's the cliff's notes of what I just said, if your latest post is still relevant after this, post it in a format that's more comprehensible to someone who works 60 hours a week on her feet and needs things clearly explained.

Teaching the history of theories of evolution is a teaching tool that permits the teacher, before students have even asked and bothered to challenge her about evolution, to explain why we believe in the current theory and not the prior ones. Instead of spending five classes sorting out students doubts and questions and biblical quotes, you are showing exactly how and why creationism and all the other prior theories were disproved and why the current theory is now generally accepted. I do not think that teaching the theory of evolution by simply stating "this is evolution, this is how it works" is valid methodology, because you basically are having the students take your word for it that evolution is true instead of showing them, bit by bit and destroying their doubts and arguments before they even start that it's the only logical answer. When you tell a student "We evolved from monkeys, now here's how evolution works" you might as well tell a student "we were created perfect beings by god, here's how". There's no backing to either claim. When you teach the history of theories of evolution, you're giving your argument a foundation.

So the point is that showing how we got to what we believe in by showing the evidence and how it evolved and invalidated prior theories cements belief in evolution. Because students, even when things are well proven, will always have questions and arguments and it's better to stop the bulk of them before they start.

[Aden Shawnson]

I had meant to stay out of this discussion but I can't help it now. Creationism has not been completely disproved. And evolutionism has not been completely prved. I believe in creationism personally, just not that some big guy hangs around watching what everybody does. I also believe in natural selevtion, that's all around us. But the completed theory of evolution just has too many holes for me to buy it.

[Deimos Tokarev]

Well think about this, what has has more valid evidence, evolution or creationism. Evolution has thousand of years of fossils while creation only has a book, and that book can be interpreted in a million different ways.

Creation should not be tought in public schools, public schools, e.g. Primary, seconday, should be based on science, not a myth, the supernatural myths should be left to be studied in Universities or religious schools.

[eliassolomon]

Ah, but that's the point. Creationism holds a beauty that no-one seems to grasp these days. There's so many unbelievable facts, that it's impossible to believe. But then again, thats the fun in the mystery. So many people say that the inconceivable idea of God and his wonders are unreal, that it only makes more people believe. And do you know why? Because it gives them hope. What hope do people get from Numbers and records on cold sheets of paper?

And thats where it ties in with your little Scientist play, Deimos. Who are they to say that they have proved evolution? When, alas, it is just the same as Creationism. There are so many impossible pieces of evidence that link your unbreakable faith in evolution, that it is almost as if the Scientist's are saying that they are right. No-one is right.

Somewhere, there is a higher power. What, or who it is, is no concern of ours. It's simply a thing of faith. And to say that "A book" holds no truth, is where your fault lies. Billions of people believe in those writings, whether or not Archeologist's or Scientist's say it is folklore.

[Deimos Tokarev]

It does not matter if billions of people belive in a book, that does not make it true. Even still, you have no proof to show of a higher power, just a lack of proof in evolution.

I would belive in something that has some proof, rather than no proof at all

[Axel Zacarías]

I can't decide which to believe BECAUSE here would be the arguement I would put up.


Arguement on the Theory of Evolution:
What made the material that created the Big Bang and how did the cells it created know how to come together and create things? Along with when did the cells know when and, most importantly, how to evolve.

Arguement on the Theory of Creationism:
What made the Higher Ruling Power(God(s)) that created the world?