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Post by Deimos Tokarev on Jul 10, 2008 0:02:13 GMT -8
As i Nihilist, i reject everything that is subjective, honour and dignity and such as that, mainly becuase it is constantly in flux and does not remain in a fixed way, and if it doesnt say in a constant shape, then it cannot have a form or exist.
What do you think is more important, objective values or subjective values, and what values are important
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Post by Aden Shawnson on Jul 10, 2008 0:13:48 GMT -8
I don't care if it's dead, or lost, or whatever it is, Chivalry was amazing while it lasted. I'd probably hate to have it directed at me, but later on I'd look back and think how nice that was. And patriotism, that's dead too. But it's amazing, everyone tied together by one belief. Religion never reaches the kind of peak that Patriotism does. Tying all kinds of people together under one banner.
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Post by Deimos Tokarev on Jul 10, 2008 0:21:17 GMT -8
Chivalry is kind of hypcritical. Think about it, feminists want to be treated exactly the same as men, but then they whine that chivalry is dead. Sexism is basically defined as treating one sx different than the other, and example of chivalry is a man holding the door open for a women, but usually not for a man. I find that wierd
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Post by Aden Shawnson on Jul 10, 2008 0:30:07 GMT -8
*snickers* Yeah, Chivalry's hypocritical. I think that might be part of the charm. I dunno. All I know is that I like complaining about it cause I can sound all deep and smart when I do. And patriotism. Well, I think it takes national crises' like 9/11 to bring patriotism out. But then it dies again a couple months later.
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Post by Deimos Tokarev on Jul 10, 2008 0:32:29 GMT -8
Patriotism is okay, pride for your country and all that, like steve Irwin and the guy that screams on the dishwasher detergent ads. Heh, one guy even got sued becuase he had the australian flag up in his back yard
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Post by Aden Shawnson on Jul 10, 2008 0:48:46 GMT -8
*sigh* I think you guys have more patriotism than we do. At least it appears to be so. You mean the Oxy Clean Guy? I didn't know he was Australian...
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Post by alice on Jul 10, 2008 5:56:31 GMT -8
I'd say that my country takes pride in itself.
If anyone said anything bad about England here, they'd probably get punched.
You see quite a lot of flags, too.
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Post by Deimos Tokarev on Jul 10, 2008 23:31:45 GMT -8
Hmm here is a good example of what annoys me.
The other day me and mum dopped my sis off at her friends place. So me and mum decided to get takeaway, a choice between hungry jacks or maccas.
We were about 20 mins away from the store when i said maccas, mum agreed and heres what hpened 5 mins later. Bear in mind each store was equal distance away
Me : Wait no, lets go to Hungry Jacks, its more filling. Mum : What, no, you cant just change your mind just like that Me : I don't see why not, its not like we are in the drive through or anything when i changed my mind Mum : Thats not the point, you just cant change your mind like that. Me : Well it still doesnt change anything Mum : THATS NOT THE (*@^ POINT! *smacks me*
It stuff like that that annoys me, some people focus so much on what the ideal is, but not on what IS happeneing at the very moment. Mum is the first one
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Post by Peregrine Alexander on Jul 11, 2008 15:46:55 GMT -8
To me, chivalry wasn't just men being incredibly polite to women; it was the honored ones in society (knights) protecting the meek and doing the right thing. Of course, back in the middle ages, women were considered to be meek and helpless.
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Post by Deimos Tokarev on Sept 10, 2008 19:34:36 GMT -8
you would so go back in time to live there if you had the chance wouldnt you pip (not mean tone)
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Post by ``Marian Fitzwalter on Sept 13, 2008 15:27:24 GMT -8
Well, I don't know about Pip, but I certainly wouldn't - it's dark, dank, damp, and filthy. Only the REALLY well off had anything resembling luxury. And even then, it wasn't all that great. People were much more prone to getting sick, and they died of the smallest things. I mean, back then, someone could die of a septic cut on the finger, wheras now we just put a band-aid on it and it's all better.
But, and what I think Pippin might be thinking if he did want to go back in time, is that back then, there were some ideals and customs that this world could really benefit from. Chivarly included. Like Pippin says, it doesn't mean men being uber-polite to women. It could be a strong man protecting a weaker man from a [any reason why a strong man would need to protect a weaker man]. It could also be a powerful woman that uses her resources to help the less fortunate gain better lives.
-------------- Part of the reason (in my experiance, at least) that people focus on the ideals rather than the actuallity, is because it's not RIGHT THERE. It's far away. Where people can pretend that everything is alright. Where they don't actually have to deal with these problems. Sure, people say that they care about [the war in Iraq; Global Warming; etc], but in reality, the human nature is rather selfish. It can't see Global Warming, so everything is fine! The 'War in Iraq' is in Iraq, not here.
There are people out there who peep out of their tiny, self-centered little worlds to actually give a hoot about issues of the world: Global Warming, the downfall of the economy. And they actually try to help. But the really sad thing is, they're too late. People go on about how they're "going green", trying to fix the Global Warming issue; And how they're going to solve the economies problems, but it isn't gonna happen. Humanity has fallen into decay. They're actually lazy, dependant on the "World Leaders" and technology of today. And by the time they actually come together as a whole and try to fix everything, the Ozone layer will be breached beyond repair, and we'll all be in the gutter.
It is in this instance that going back into time might not be such a bad thing: we could (perhaps, who knows) prevent these problems; educate before it's far, far, far too late. And, history has shown that the people who lived long before we did were more motivated, that they actually got things done.
**I would like to add that I do not exclude myself from these lazy people. I acknowledge it, and I also acknowledge that I cannot do anything alone - for I am not the only person upon this earth.
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